Isn't every language constructed. They are constantly evolving, taking on new words, changing the meaning of others. ASL evolves the same way as any spoken language.
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Lady Lee
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Sign Languae is a True Language,Urgues Prof. Harlan Lane
by Scott77 inprofessor harlan lane recently published a book that looked at whether deaf people have their own culture.
lane, a psychology professor at northeastern university, has been studying deaf culture and linguistics since the 1970s, ever since he witnessed a deaf duo conversing and was stunned to learn of the depth and complexity of asl.
here is his interview wth the boston globe... .
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Sign Languae is a True Language,Urgues Prof. Harlan Lane
by Scott77 inprofessor harlan lane recently published a book that looked at whether deaf people have their own culture.
lane, a psychology professor at northeastern university, has been studying deaf culture and linguistics since the 1970s, ever since he witnessed a deaf duo conversing and was stunned to learn of the depth and complexity of asl.
here is his interview wth the boston globe... .
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Lady Lee
I think there is little substitute for verbal communication. ASL and other forms of sign
We live in a world based on verbal communication. In that sense people who use any of the signed languages will be a t a deficit just as much as if an english speaking person moved to Japan and had to try to communite with the people there. BUT the deaf I think do have an advantage there because many "signs" are very similar to gestures that hearing people use. Eat, drink, sleep. The deaf are very adaptable in this regard.
however are more complex than people realize.
Very true. Most people think ASL or QSL (Quebec Canada) or FSL (French France) or BSL (British) are all word for word trandslations. They aren't SEE (Signed Exact English) is a word for word transslation but the deaf don't use it. People like me use it - caught between 2 worlds. lol
A couple of years ago when I started losing my hearing I went to meet a deaf group that meets close to where I live. If I had to I think I could more easily make the adjustment to the deaf world because of my ability to sign. I was very pleased that the deaf community is as large as it is here. I expected 5-10 people. Instead there were almost 50 and that includes just the ones who could attend.
Many times the recognition of ASL as a language on par with all others, is also an attempt to disuade younger deaf from leaning written english or getting coclear implants. This is a subject of much debate in the deaf community and no small amount of pride is involved.
I think something got confused in there. I think you meant that the failure to recognize ASL as a true language is based on the attempt to dissuage children with hearing problems from learning sign language. There has always been the debate to educate the deaf iusing the oral method, where the child learns to lip read and speak through intensive sessions of learning sounds when they can't hear them. I think it is cruel to subject a child to that when all the parent needs to do is learn to adapt to the child's needs instead of the child adapting to the hearing world. It doesn't work and most children who were taught this eventually learn to sign.
It is false that all people who use sign language are totally deaf and hear nothing. Many can hear a bit and yes they can hear music or at least feel it and they can dance.
MY opinion is that if the implants or hearing aids help, then use it. it doesn't have to chage the cultural group you belong to. I wear glasses and now I have an artificial lens that replaced my cataracts. I have hearing aids. I use a wheelchair to go out. Those thing make my life easier and help me be more independant. I will use anything that helps me maintain my independance wether that is visual, auditory or mobility.
Schools for children who are deaf are not against hearing aids or teaching children to talk. If they have any level of sound it is encouraged and the child gets a richer and more independant experience. But they shouldn't be deprived these things if they need them or would benefit from them.
Off my soap box before people start thowing eggs at their monitors
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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:
by Splash in1974 - can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1978 - can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1983 - cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
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Lady Lee
if only I had known
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Sign Languae is a True Language,Urgues Prof. Harlan Lane
by Scott77 inprofessor harlan lane recently published a book that looked at whether deaf people have their own culture.
lane, a psychology professor at northeastern university, has been studying deaf culture and linguistics since the 1970s, ever since he witnessed a deaf duo conversing and was stunned to learn of the depth and complexity of asl.
here is his interview wth the boston globe... .
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Lady Lee
Sign Language is a vibrant, rich and ever evolving language in its own right with a syntax all its own. Sign Language is not a word for word translation of some other language. It is beautiful to watch because 1 sign can convey so much - far more than English. It incorporates more than hand gestures and facial expression but includes the whole body so that put together one simple sigh can convey a multitude of levels emotional expression.
Take the example of the word stop (similar to a "time out" gesture) Made gently the sign can mean "Please stop". Signed with a firmly expressed sign it can mean "Stop NOW". Signed in a forceful way with an appropriate facial expression and body language it can mean "Stop now or else..." A whole gamut of levels of facial expression and body language can add to a wide range of emotional states in just one movement. This is what makes it so rich and beautiful. It is economical in its usage like the example of the sign for Stop.
English has its own word order (its syntax). French, Spanish and Italian have a very different word order (which is why I can't learn it lol) If you did a word for word translation from English to French it would sound very peculiar as some of you who speak both know. You have to change the order of the words to make sense.
Sign languages, every language has its own counterpart. French Sign, English, German, Spanish. They are all different but they are more closely aligned that their spoken counterparts. I have seen English ASL users communicate with French QSL (Quebec) with little difficulty.
I love to watch it even though I can rarely keep up with what they are saying because they go so fast. I once had a contest with a friend who signed the alphabet while I tried to say it as fast as I could. No contest. He won every time. And there is no way I could keep up with him as a signer.
I now have arthritis in all my finger joints. Every morning I do a simple run through a couple of times of the alphabet in sign to loosen up all the joints.
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Checklists for High-Control Groups/Cults
by Lady Lee inchecklist of characteristics.
deception lies at the core of mind-manipulating and high-demand ("cultic") groups and programs.
many members and supporters of these groups/movements are not fully aware of the extent to which they have been abused and exploited.
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Lady Lee
Thaks Terry I think it is important for us to realize that all cults operate the same way and that we are not an exclusive group. Others will understand
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Checklists for High-Control Groups/Cults
by Lady Lee inchecklist of characteristics.
deception lies at the core of mind-manipulating and high-demand ("cultic") groups and programs.
many members and supporters of these groups/movements are not fully aware of the extent to which they have been abused and exploited.
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Lady Lee
For those who wish to share this with a family member:
I might have missed some thing but as far as I can see there is no mention of the JWs in any of the lists; not their name or their beliefs. All the lists can be easily used to describe The Mormons, or Scientology or any fundamentalist group that takes away a member's freedom of choice. Tell them you found these great lists that describe ________ and they just might read them and see how they apply to other groups. Then let them think. Don't say one word about the JWs unless they ask. If they ask about something tell them to think about it.
Guaranteed their first reaction will be NO. Let it sit in their brain and percolate for a while. Might take a long while. They might defend the JWs and say "We don't do that!" But a little question will sit in the back of their mind "Do we?"
Again if they ask you suggest they go to every meeting for a week or two and listen and read to see if these things are being said or done. Remind them these lists were all made without the JWs in mind.
Thought Reform by Lifton came from his research on Chinese prisoners in "re-education" camps during the 50s.
When Steven Hassan first wrote his list he knew nothing about JWs.
The other lists make no mention of the JWs so they should be safe to use. But they have to make the associations. Then they can come asl you and you better be surprised that they see the similarities.
Now I wish I could find the other lists that were posted here. One was particularly good but I can't find it.
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Many At Bethel Head Quarter Know The Governing Body Are Psycho's But They Too Afraid To Say Anything
by frankiespeakin ini think a lot of people at bethel especially the older ones are terrified of these new guys on the governing body and already know they are a bunch of over the hill narcissistic personality disorder cases.. but they are caught in the middle and i'm sure lots of people are waking up with these egomaniacs around..
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Lady Lee
are you going to jump off a bridge just because.... ? lol
I don't think we need to stoop down to their level. I like to think that we are not becoming what they said we would become - angry disgruntled apostates.
Not that I mind being an apostate because I quite clearly am. Personally I left because I didn't want to be like them.
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Following their own rules, Should the Governing Body be disfellowshipped for decades of misleading the flock and thus tainting Gods name without any evidence of repentance?
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Lady Lee
I fixed your post. Lots of coding got added it that shouldn't be there But to respond to your question: Yes. Except for Raymond Franz and oithers like him that recognized many of the serious problems in the org and might have moved the JWs in a more Christian direction. Not that it would make much difference to me because I was already out. and would not go back
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Checklists for High-Control Groups/Cults
by Lady Lee inchecklist of characteristics.
deception lies at the core of mind-manipulating and high-demand ("cultic") groups and programs.
many members and supporters of these groups/movements are not fully aware of the extent to which they have been abused and exploited.
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Lady Lee
Hi OUTLAW
I thought it might be good to put these all together
If anyone knows of some I have missed please add them along with the link to where you got it from. I know I have seen others that were good.
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I had cataract surgery on Feb 12
by Lady Lee ini cannot believe the difference in my vision.
even with glasses my vision in the left eye was poor.
but i can now read a 12 font fairly clearly without the glasses.
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Lady Lee
I wanted to comment but my browswer went weird on me and I decided to reboot the computer
JG I initially thought they had two holes but the sites I read said they just use the same hole to take out the cataract and then to insert the new one.. I figure I have enough holes in my head I don't need any more
Thanks Just Lois